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Nov 14, 2007 4:28 PM

Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

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Click to view chuckchuck's profile New Member 14 posts since
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1. Nov 15, 2007 3:13 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
I've only been using Windows XP for about 2 years, prior to that I only recommended and used Windows 2000. I personally believe that Windows Vista is going to be known as Windows ME's little ugly brother.

Why would someone spend $$$ on a new OS that is bulky, requiring the purchase of a powerful new PC, AND new software to run on it - to do exactly everything you're doing NOW without spending a penny?

There still is little reason for consumers and businesses to waste thousands of dollars on a "worthless" upgrade.

Microsoft knows this and that is why they will be forced to discontinue XP in order to force consumers to buy Vista.

The old adage: If it ain't broke don't fix it, really applies here for the consumer.

Microsoft's rule is if it's not broke, then fix it so that people spend more money.
Click to view amyjones09's profile New Member 17 posts since
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2. Nov 15, 2007 3:21 PM in response to: chuckchuck
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
vistas biggest problem is people that are affraid of change
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3. Nov 15, 2007 3:49 PM in response to: amyjones09
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
vistas biggest problem is people that are affraid of change

Vista has superior security compared to XP (although some will argue that UAC is more hassle than it is worth)

Personally, I think Aero offers a huge improvement in the appearance of Windows.

Despite its strengths, Vista is incredibly inefficient. An OS should be relatively transparent to the user in terms of system resources required. OS upgrades should be more efficient than the previous versions, not less. In this respect, Vista has failed completely and miserably. It can slow down even fast machines. By comparison, I currently have eleven applications open (not all are currently being actively used) in Leopard (equivalent to Vista Ultimate for purposes of comparison), and my CPU use is ranging between 2% and 4% on my MacBook, which is Apple's entry level portable. Leopard is even zippy on my roommate's nearly five year old iMac, which was also an entry level Mac. I suspect hat if I had a Linux box on a low-end to mid range machine, I would see similar results. I'm not trying to say OS X or Linux is better than Vista (I'm not convinced that Vista isn't the best OS Microsoft has ever produced.). I'm just pointing out that Vista is incredibly inefficient compared to other operating systems with comparable features. Can you imagine how slowly Vista would run had it been released on schedule, before computers capable of running Ultimate quickly while multitasking were readily available to consumers?
Click to view darkknight2009's profile New Member 1 posts since
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4. Nov 20, 2007 12:20 AM in response to: PCWorld
Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
I am sorry i disgree the biggest problems with this issue is most people are tired of paying for software upgrades one and two why should we change every couple of years for a program that has more issues then fixes before it ships? there was no great demand for Vista from the norm people just the tech junkies and the game companies are pushing the graphics and gaming world hard for better details and more, so why should the consumer be held under the gun because there kids want better gaming cards and direct x and other shading and graphics over all. Microsoft needs to concentrate on providing a OS that is fully functioning from the day it rolls out and this way manufactures have time to make sure there products work 100% with the OS. how many issues did or does vista have. LOTS enough to take up a two gigabyte download on the internet and that will suck for dsl users and comcast they way they monitor there bandwiths! how come Mac has little issues or other OS's think about it people.

I also agree with Amy on her sayings as well, Vista is OMG SLOW on a fast pc while Mac's OS is speedy zippy and virus free and always has been. for the most part. I run about 8 pc's in my home now and they range from a dell 8400 Dimension, to a few home builds and one HIGH END system that has the following psecs.
amd 6000 fx cpu OCed as far as i can get it to go with out blowing up, 8 gigs of ram, 1 terrabit of drive space, two SLI nvida cards with about 800 in ram, and my drives are sata raided as well and let me tell you i have vista on it and office and three games and when i open office 07 my cpu goes nuts and i have customed configured my system to maximize all memory for this or that and my cpu for this and that and still it runs like a silly PD4 and not a high end system, sorry micro u lose this time just like with windows Mill. that one sucked as well .......
Click to view Number3124's profile Old Hand 1,020 posts since
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5. Nov 16, 2007 4:51 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
Although I do think Vista is an inferior product, I just can't believe M$ has shot it's self in the foot again.


"If they give you ruled paper write the other way"-dedication of Fahrenheit 451
Stick to games Microsoft! Leave the big stuff to the real programmers. Support Linux, Mozilla, and Open Office.org in the Open Source Revolution!!!

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Click to view Leice2003's profile New Member 10 posts since
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6. Nov 18, 2007 6:32 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
For the most part I agree with everyone's opinions; however, I disagree that Vista is a worthless upgrade. It is truly an upgrade from XP just as XP was truly an upgrade from 2000. I think the reason that its a hard sell is because a Vista upgrade will cost more money in hardware & software. Its not compatible with most of the existing HW & SW. When the XP came out, it didn't have such an impact on the hardware and software as Vista has and most people are not going to buy a new OS and new hardware. However, as an OS, I think Vista is just as stable as XP and just as secure with the same amount of speed. In fact, I think the boot-up time is much faster than XPs. I work in all three worlds---XP, Vista and Mac and I feel that XP is the most compatible and reliable on all software and hardware; Vista is the most fun with new eye-candy like features and entertainment functions; and MAC is what it always has been(if that makes any sense.)
Click to view IanDSamson's profile New Member 3 posts since
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7. Nov 19, 2007 11:15 PM in response to: chuckchuck
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

ChuckChuck's December 2006 statements are entirely agreeable. Microsoft has forgotten 3rd World countries (so what's new?) and think everyone lives on Gates' personal budget. Keeping hardware manufacturers in business, keeping other software designers and application programmers alive, while thwarting the expendible incomes of some of us who still run W2K SP4 on a 1.8GHz Celeron! It's perfectly adequate for me, and I refuse to allow these corporate giants to bully us into changing just because of their lust for wealth! I certainly will NOT be buying Vista any time soon although I will be purchasing XP Pro as soon as I can. Wake up, Microsoft, and get to grips with the inalienable FACT that not all your customers are corporate giants.

Click to view fr0thy's profile New Member 1 posts since
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8. Nov 22, 2007 3:51 AM in response to: PCWorld
Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
All the hype in the world will not disguise the fact that they're releasing Alpha quality software for sale.

More fool the people that cannot see through this, ignorance is bliss I suppose.

Most will move to Open Source sooner or later so it seems kind of dim to put effort and learning into staying hooked into this nonsense when free alternatives are around us.

Can anyone see a pattern emerging? Microsoft always release troublesome software and when it is finally tolerable it's time for "an upgrade".

Their disciples are like drug addicts I suppose, they can't necessarily see what their problem is.

One Microsoft chap once said that Open Source could be the end of capitalism itself. That implies that Microsoft is the only thing holding capitalism up does it not?

Open Source is a forest of vibrant saplings, and Microsoft is just a Giant Redwood that's rotten from the inside out.

Take your time, waste money, stay backwards if you want. You'll see.
Click to view KenJr7161's profile New Member 2 posts since
Nov 13, 2006
9. Nov 22, 2007 9:23 AM in response to: PCWorld
Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says
The Vista problem was putting the cart before the horse. Application and gaming software has been lagging and without the backwards compatibility in the name of security, MS missed the boat big time. MS previous OS updates had the software industry primed up before any of their new releases.
The world-wide beta testing was a great idea to stoke the fires but where's all the 3rd party gaming software to take advantage of the bells (there are no whistles).
I can't justify spending the big bucks to replace software and games that are working great on XP. The security advantages may be better of Vista but if you do your due diligence with the security updates and software patches then XP will continue to shine just fine.
Click to view KenJr7161's profile New Member 2 posts since
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10. Nov 22, 2007 9:35 AM in response to: amyjones09
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

Amy change is good if there are benefits across the board. Change is not good just for change sake. XP has some character flaws that everyone admits but Vista has character and integrity flaws. I liked the feel of Vista during the beta testing but it's lacking the software and hardware driver support for existing systems. It's like buying a car...some folks buy because it's newer. The old model runs fine and the functionality is there. But when you buy the new car are the replacement parts always available when needed? And the cost of those replacement parts are going to be steep.

XP is running fine and the support is there (for now). Replacement parts are also plentiful. Vista on the other hand...

Click to view Leice2003's profile New Member 10 posts since
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11. Nov 22, 2007 7:43 PM in response to: amyjones09
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

Amy, I think your point hits the nail on the head. Regardless of the applications, gaming, and all the other technical mumbo jumbo excuses of corporate greed, yadda, yadda, yadda, the bottom line is when people are confortable with something, they don't want to change it. I pointed out previously that it's a money and compatibility issue, but it's not even about that as much anymore because a lot of companies are getting on the Vista train and are producing updated drivers for Vista. Except for the compatibility issues, we basically went through the same thing with XP and no one wanted to let go of 2000. Now we aren't afraid of XP anymore and we love XP and don't want to let it go. The fact is it's an ongong thing and the manufacturers are always working to develop something new, it's their job. The bottom line is, if you like it and want it, then get it. If you don't like it and don't want it, then don't get it.

Click to view rgreen4's profile Old Hand 3,700 posts since
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12. Nov 22, 2007 11:14 PM in response to: Leice2003
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

People are afraid of change, and companies are even more afraid of change. It has taken XP six years to get to 84% of the market and still there are companies running an OS that is almost 10 years old - Win2K. If it wasn't for problems marketing software with the letters NT, we would be talking about NT6 replacing NT5.2. The true internal designation of Windows 2000 was NT5.0, and XP was NT5.1. The massive changes set forth in SP2 actually makes it NT5.2. This explains why there were no significant driver problems going from 2K to XP. However, on the consumer side, those driver incompatibilities were present. Check almost any driver download for a device and you will see Win2K/XP as one file. Win98 drivers will not work in XP and XP drivers will not work in Vista.

Another thing to consider in the software area is that in the consumer market even software with a small percentage of the market can expect to sell several hundred thousand copies of their software. However, software for the corporate environment that is not loaded on the workstations, may only have several hundred copies in existance. The company I work for has a software package for fixed assets that resides on the server and when run at a local plant, runs off the corporate server - 1 copy. The publisher has less than 100 copies in distribution and changes requested by users sometimes takes years to be implemented.

Then, once the software had been certified, there is the logistical problem of implementing Vista on thousands of PC's. That won't happen overnight.


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Click to view IanDSamson's profile New Member 3 posts since
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13. Nov 23, 2007 12:05 AM in response to: rgreen4
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

"rgreen4" is entirely correct. It's rather nice to see the NT5.0, NT5.1, NT5.2 nomenclature once more! So Vista and its derivatives are NT6? So what's in a name since Win95 was originally called "Chicago".

Not only companies are reluctant to spend $000s replacing hardware for the new OS, but experience should tell them to wait at least two years so that Microsoft's new alpha software can at least go through its teething troubles (beta testing) and comes out with NT6.1.2.3.4.5... as it gets its inevitable problems fixed. Remember how many times Win95 crashed? Remember DOS 4 - a total disaster - after the benefits of DOS 3.1 - then came DOS 5 and that was worse than DOS 4. Then came DOS 6.1 and DOS 6.2 and we sighed a huge sigh of relief! At last DOS 6.2 WORKED countering that worldwide accepted oxymoron "Microsoft Works". Then Windows 3.1 (I was one of the first people in South Africa to run HTTPD on Windows 3.1). It worked great, and then Norton Desktop for Windows (the fore-runner of Win95), and the rest is history.

But what I object to is being forced by these companies to spend money on upgrading my hardware because the OS manufacturer is no longer supporting it. I am very happy with Win2K SP4, it's smooth, purrs, hardly ever any glitches (although I have rebuilt this machine 6 times) and will be migrating to XP Pro SP? asap. But Symantec will not write NIS for Win2K for 2007 and beyond, effectively saying who cares about you, we are moving forward and if you don't, you will be attacked. These corporate giants do not give a hint of recognition that some of us are actually pensioners living on a tiny income trying our level best to stay abreast of changes, but one day it's going to be inevitable that we will be left behind, six feet under, and technology will be left to the next generations.

I have heard many horror stories that Vista and many audio editing applications are incompatible. This means I will have to wait for all my software suppliers to write Vista-compatible versions, costing me an enormous sum of money. But what does Microsoft care? They don't. Period.

Click to view rgreen4's profile Old Hand 3,700 posts since
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14. Nov 23, 2007 9:22 AM in response to: IanDSamson
Re: Vista's Biggest Problem Remains Windows XP, Survey Says

Ian - I don't think anyone is forcing you to move away from Win2K, especially Microsoft. While they are no long providing the updates to the system, the security patches will keep being issued until 2010, which will be 10 years after it's release. Until then, there is no reason to shift if you don't want to. As for Symantec, they and I have parted company twice. The first time when I was a user of Norton's Anti-Virus for years until the annual renewal got so high. Somewhere I still have an old NAV on 3.5" diskettes (I tend to be a packrat). Then I went to AVG Free, which in less intrusive. When I got my new Media Center, it came with NIS 2006 and gave me so many problems, they sent me a download link to 2007 and it wasn't any better. So when I upgraded my machine to Vista in May with the HP provided free upgrade, I left NIS behind and installed AVG Free on this machine along with Superantispyware.

The "layered" approach of individual applications most if not all free for non-commercial use results in a faster machine. I do not have a separate firewall other than the one in Vista (which many do not like) and the hardware firewall in the router.

By moving to XP Pro, if that is your plan, you will have an advantage in that virtually every device that works with 2K will work with XP, as the drivers are the same. I am running XP Pro on an older HP business class desktop and XP Home on a laptop. There are few differences, principally in the permissions area, (in XP Pro you can set permissions by folder, in Home you cannot) and the fact that XP Home cannot join a domain (probably because of the permissions) and it's a little cheaper if you can still find it.


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