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Apr 10, 2008 6:23 PM

Gartner Explains Why Windows Is Broken

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Click to view MasterGuru's profile New Member 21 posts since
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1. Apr 10, 2008 8:18 PM in response to: PCWorld
Gartner Explains Why Windows Is Broken
Seems to me Gartner just wants their name in the news (well blogs anyway). I have no respect for their information. Also, the writer might want to check their facts and grammar. Poorly done. I guess CIO's these days are just business grads with little real world knowledge. That's a shame. Shame on this CIO and shame on PCWorld (and their MACWorld bosses).
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2. Apr 10, 2008 8:18 PM in response to: PCWorld
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The most interesting part of this article: the tidbit about 95% of Microsoft's revenues coming from OEM installs...


Dell*buntu Inspiron 1420n, running Kubuntu 7.10
Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 464 posts since
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3. Apr 10, 2008 10:01 PM in response to: PCWorld
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The statements quoted in the article seem pretty dead on. Especially the point about the OS you're running not mattering so much as time goes on.

For instance, Java runs pretty darned well. Sure, it's Sun's baby, but so is OpenOffice.org and VirtualBox. Similar to Microsoft, Sun bought 'em all.

One of my favorite editor/IDE packages is jEdit. It works perfectly on every platform I have run it on. Eclipse similarly runs well, though I don't personally care for it. Tries to do too much 'for me', big, bloated, etc.

The 'Google Documents' Java applets work well enough, and they'll only improve with time.

As good standards evolve, even 3D intensive video games will simply run under runtimes like Adobe Flash/Air. The 3D and sound mixing is the stuff that needs the native performance, and once you virtualize that and wrap it in a fast runtime compiling interpreter, then there isn't much reason to stick to a native implementation of a game. Build once, run on any console or any computer that meets your minimum requirements. GL? DirectX? Console specific API? They won't matter. Game developers are desperate to get out from under the direct retail channel and the subsequent 'exchange' of their games and the nasty babel of potential platforms to build for and support. They get a hundred thousand copies at an exorbitant rate, can't afford to make more, and users start trading the games making shops like 'Game Stop' money. Profits all lost, another game company goes under. A web distribution model will fix it all. Just go to the game site with the browser, log in and play.

I do have to disagree with something in the article, too. Do give Vista a miss. Like an AMC Gremlin rusting in the showroom, Vista is a P.O.S. The new Millennium Edition.
Click to view MasterGuru's profile New Member 21 posts since
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4. Apr 10, 2008 11:36 PM in response to: Evildave
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If I read what EvilDave is saying, I think he is saying:

+I don't use Windows, but will fix it all myself. +

How can someone who has not actually spent any real time with a product know it?
After ten years we're still waiting for Open Source to be anything but a hack tool for folks with bad sounding names in blogs, and we are still waiting for Apple to figure out they are no longer a computer company, but just a very small niche market of expensive electronics.

Yup, we'll wait on them...... and wait.....and wait............and wait.......

My games, both new and older XP games, run way better on Vista SP1 than they ever did on XP on the same machine. I can prove that. The rest is just knee jerk reactions from those who just likes to buck the system, IMHO........I can see your lips moving but all I hear is blah, blah, blah......blah!

But I do think he has really good point, I'm just not allowed to say where I think it is.

Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 464 posts since
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5. Apr 11, 2008 12:12 AM in response to: MasterGuru
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Let me get this straight... accuse a professional computer game programmer since 1990 who has used Microsoft Windows since 1993 or so (Windows 3.1) after DOS that finally got sick and tired of Microsoft's garbage... inexperienced with Windows?

Wow. Yeah, that's me alright. Somehow over the last 18 years of professional Microsoft experience after even more years of Apple, Atari and Commodore experience, I missed out on all the best things in Microsoft's product line.

You betcha.

Click to view MasterGuru's profile New Member 21 posts since
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6. Apr 11, 2008 12:24 AM in response to: Evildave
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Well this is great then, EvilDave. Please explain in a very detailed manner exactly how Vista makes gaming better. I am positive that your stated experience and absolute knowledge of the ins and outs of Vista will let you perform this task with great ease.
Click to view MarioJP's profile New Member 44 posts since
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7. Apr 11, 2008 1:46 AM in response to: PCWorld
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wow i used to like pcworld but now they are becoming "Linux Advocate" I like Linux and Windows. But these articles are "anti Windows" one article after another back to back geeze
Click to view cryptodan's profile New Member 16 posts since
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8. Apr 11, 2008 4:58 AM in response to: PCWorld
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The only reason why Vista is failing is due to the steep hardware requirements, and many of the low end computers simply cannot handle Vista, so people shouldn't be blaiming Microsoft. They should be blaiming themselves for not doing research about products they intend on purchasing. Another reason is that right now many businesses and corporations are happy with their XP Pro PC Loads, and are not willing to fork over upgrade costs to use Vista. I myself haven't bought Vista yet due to issues pre-service pack 1, but I can guarantee that after Vista SP1 is on CD/DVD then I will buy it.

To all those people who tout linux as being the best they are quite ignorant. The best is whatever operating system suits your needs. If all you do is email and web surf then any operating system will do. If you are a developer then maybe Linux/Unix is better suited for you. If you are a gamer then Windows is better for you due to it being both DirectX and OpenGL Compatible.

Click to view samikey's profile New Member 8 posts since
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9. Apr 11, 2008 5:23 AM in response to: PCWorld
Gartner Explains Why Windows Is Broken
For too long, Microsoft has been allowed to pretty much do what they wanted. Because it was 'Windows', Microsoft automatically thought computer users would automatically get in line to buy it. Users are much more sophisticated today and recognize when a product is not worthy, i.e. Vista. Microsoft has basically been the 'only game in town' for too long and has taken the consumer for granted. Windows seems to only 'innovate' when felt threatened. IE6 would still be around if Firefox and Opera had not come onto the scene. The big bad beast from Redmond has become complacent and while others have seized the opportunity. VISTA can't compete with Leopard. Companies that upgraded to VISTA have returned to XP. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that the product is less than acceptable. With MS scheduling Windows 7 for release in 2009, only 2-3 years after VISTA, they even recognize the inferiority of their product.
Click to view CircuitMan's profile New Member 3 posts since
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10. Apr 11, 2008 7:02 AM in response to: PCWorld
Gartner Explains Why Windows Is Broken
Why can't we just all switch to Linux. If only more Windows programs would work on Linux, it would be the ultimate OS. Even Wine for Linux will not get some Windows programs to work. If we stopped buying the new versions of windows, and moved on to Linux, all of the major software companies would have to start making their software available for Linux.

Does anyone agree with me?
Click to view MasterGuru's profile New Member 21 posts since
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11. Apr 11, 2008 7:02 AM in response to: samikey
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Besides random posts in so called technical blogs can you please point us where we can see proof of your statements?
Click to view MasterGuru's profile New Member 21 posts since
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12. Apr 11, 2008 7:09 AM in response to: CircuitMan
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My CEO is rolling on the floor laughing his a** off, so, ummm, no we do not agree.
Click to view CircuitMan's profile New Member 3 posts since
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13. Apr 11, 2008 7:14 AM in response to: MasterGuru
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Why do you not think that it is a good idea? I use Linux on one of my computers, and it is great!
Click to view cryptodan's profile New Member 16 posts since
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14. Apr 11, 2008 7:58 AM in response to: CircuitMan
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In the Linux world there are way to many choices and there isn't a set package manager, and there are no standards as where config files get placed. Imagine a company or corporation allowing every employee to use their Linux/Unix Distro of choice. Now let me answer this question: There goes security out the window and network management would be non-existant.

In a windows environment you can use AD to lock down peoples accounts and what not, yes I know there is NIS and NIS++ in Linux/Unix but then again each linux distros keep their configs in different places, so how would a corporation populate NIS Databases with that in effect.
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