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12 Replies Last post: Apr 28, 2008 11:09 AM by Evildave  
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Apr 26, 2008 4:00 PM

Knock, Knock, It's the FBI

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Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 466 posts since
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1. Apr 26, 2008 4:33 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
That'd be a fun trojan to make. Something that automatically accesses http servers that the FBI has set up to watch. Kick open an http socket, do some recursive http GET commands, and the whole company is boned.

Now all you have to do to silence a blogger who says things that you don't like is make his computer (or router) access the wrong server.

This just underscores the necessity for having off-site backups. Secret ones, at that. Reason being, if any form of police, local, county, state or federal come and grab your computer equipment, they'll grab all of your backups as well, and you're not likely to see any of that equipment or media again EVER. Even if you do, it'll be years before it's returned, and probably obsolete AND broken.

So having multiple backups stored at undisclosed locations means the warrant isn't likely to cover all copies of your data. You'll at least be back in business as soon as you purchase new copies of ALL of your computer hardware and restore the backup to it. You'll still lose a week or two of data and from thousands to millions of dollars worth of hardware, but nothing like losing EVERYTHING, and not being able to process payroll.

Otherwise, game over, you're out of business. All records are lost in legal limbo indefinitely. You can have your lawyer demand copies, but they only have to be generated a reasonable period before a trial, and if a trial isn't scheduled, or is postponed for years, your data will just sit in an evidence locker until some cop with sticky fingers steals it.

Another critical lesson this teaches is to outsource. If your payroll, data and records are on other people's servers, and the FBI breaks down your door, it's a bit less likely they'll go and kick down Google's door, an SVN repository's door, the door of a payroll management company that handles hundreds of companies, etc.

And of course, if you have a business that the current administration doesn't like, be sure to have multiple international mirrors that you can automatically fail over to. After all, the information that you clicked the wrong link can be inserted into a file by anybody with the right knowledge and access.
Click to view theonlybuster's profile New Member 26 posts since
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2. Apr 26, 2008 5:26 PM in response to: PCWorld
Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
Once again PCWorld you're late again. This has been going on for months. I wish you guys would keep up on things A LOT better.
Click to view gsosbee's profile New Member 1 posts since
Apr 27, 2008
3. Apr 27, 2008 11:37 AM in response to: PCWorld
Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
The fbi in some instances sends the porn and child porn to the targeted individual via e-mail; if one inadvertantly clicks the site (as many persons do innocently without knowing the contents of the e-mail) that may be sufficient to constitute a download, even if one hastily retreats from the site.The true character of the fbi is not known to most in our society (and indeed around the world); only a few of us are alive who seek to outline the hideous, murderous, torturous and macabre character and activities of fbi/cia agents,operatives and their handlers. I am one such seeker, geral sosbee.
Click to view 2dmaxf's profile New Member 10 posts since
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4. Apr 27, 2008 1:36 PM in response to: PCWorld
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Wake up people! The gov. doesn't even have to send you an e-mail to entrap you.They can use a security letter to get your personal security company to "download" an application that lets them access your computer at any time. It can be called an "update" or anything like that. If you have a wi-fi- application running on your computer, they can access it via satelite. AT&T is still letting them spy on people they deem as dangerous, or radical in any form. Even a comment on this blog is enough to trigger red flags. Even Microsoft has written programs for this, I'm sure of it. This administration is looking for people, of any kind, to justify their need to spy on us. Even if they falsely accuse us, it won't matter because they can insert the proof without the common man even detecting it. We must take responsibility to staunch their efforts at controlling our computers, our opinions and our freedoms. We should all maintain our computers with "Track and Trace' technology. Get to know who pings your computer. Find out who your internet providers are using to distribute media. We need to know what country the servers are using and familiarize ourselves with these issues. Otherwise we will all become rebots to the bad things lurking out there. I travel in stealth mode on the net today because I found a company downloading files from my computer the other day. I was able to trace the internet address to its source. I even called that company and you should have seen how fast she put me on hold. When she returned, she was so out of wind she could hardly speak. Check your status on your providers' window. If you see stuff flying out at a rate of 54% compression, get out of there! I checked my security log and found that someone (the not stated company,) setup a file transfer on my TC port 21, and was extracting files from my computer. I keep my computer unpluged when not in use. And last but not least, don't ever assume that just because you have virus protection that you are o.k. As I stated before, in a previous discussion, it takes a while for our security providers to figure out how to close the doors on intruders. I will be happy to share with you any information about the aforementioned security service I have mentioned above, upon request.
Click to view auftspeed's profile New Member 7 posts since
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5. Apr 27, 2008 4:58 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
They can watch me untill their eyes fall out.
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6. Apr 27, 2008 6:48 PM in response to: PCWorld
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In reply to 2dmaxf, I'd say I was interested in your information about your security service you utilize.

Edited by MPHEnterprises - Please do not post your personal information within the forums for your own security and privacy.

Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 466 posts since
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7. Apr 27, 2008 10:13 PM in response to: Evildave
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Oh yeah, also make sure the data you back up includes your software and activation keys. After all, they'll take EVERYTHING. It would be nice if you had the software and activation codes backed up. That's thousands of dollars you aren't robbed of.

A good inventory of what you had is important, and demand a detailed receipt from the nazis when they come.

You'll need that for any futile lawsuit you'll need to launch.
Click to view Cosmo's profile Member 1,939 posts since
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8. Apr 27, 2008 10:30 PM in response to: PCWorld
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Simple solution is to hide your IP. Use a proxy service that doesn't log.


Click to view Rijndahl's profile New Member 2 posts since
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9. Apr 28, 2008 7:53 AM in response to: PCWorld
Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
In 2006 I found a keylogger with Guardian Monitor registry keys installed on my highly secured Dell Precision Workstation. I reinstalled all software from the original installation CDs, did a Windows Update via the Microsoft Windows Update service, and the keylogger was back! This happened twice. Then I emailed Webroot and asked them if they'd ever seen this--they hadn't. After the third reinstall, the keylogger mysteriously wasn't there. I don't see how this keylogger could have been installed except through the Windows Update service. I've heard of this happening to other people from a couple of independent sources. They confirmed my suspicion that Microsoft is in collusion with the federal government by downloading keyloggers via the Windows Update Service to target computers. I haven't been able to update XP Pro beyond SP1 for this reason, and my next computer won't have Windows installed. I have a deep suspicion that this is a major reason Microsoft sales are doing so poorly.
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10. Apr 28, 2008 8:00 AM in response to: PCWorld
Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
My kids hate me but I don't let them download music unless they buy it from Itunes or Amazon.com and I block them from going to adult web sites. I know they go to a friends house to do what they want online but that is the other parents problem, they should be trying to control what happens on their computer.
Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 466 posts since
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11. Apr 28, 2008 10:57 AM in response to: Rijndahl
Re: Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
Auto-installed spyware installed into Windows by Microsoft Update? Switch to Linux!

BTW, you should change all of your passwords. That's a primary use of a key logger. The first things you type in the day, every day will usually be passwords. Easy to harvest. Make sure to use different passwords for different accounts. Long after the key logger is gone, your old passwords are probably still working for worthless, scum-sucking snoops.

Install and run your Windows software in a virtual machine, like VirtualBox, then only grant it a local connection. Since the grand majority of Windows updates are for web based 'security' purposes, denying a web connection to Windows means Windows Update is completely optional.

64 bit Ubuntu 8.04 works nicely, but there are lots of distros to choose from. You can get your updates from an international source if you like. Compared to Windows, there is insignificant development of virus/worm/spyware/etc. Make the nazis come to your house to install a key logger if they're that interested.

Since Linux and virtually of the software written for it are open source, you can even grab the code out of RCS/CVS/SVN, review it and build it yourself if you're paranoid.

As far as the 'non-logging' proxy servers, they're a bit of a risk. After all, the feds are just as likely to put up a super-private proxy service, and quite a lot of other services can be compromised by putting probes on their internet connections. Most people who run such a service will roll over if the feds walk in and threaten... well to do exactly what this article is about. Put them out of business, cost them thousands or millions of dollars, etc. with absolutely no legal recourse for the government's victims.
Click to view Evildave's profile Enthusiast 466 posts since
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12. Apr 28, 2008 11:09 AM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Knock, Knock, It's the FBI
Come to think of it, here's a fine, infamous example of our tax dollars at work. The feds raided Steve Jackson Games because they were making a role-playing game about 'hackers'. Read it and see if the scenario sounds familiar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jackson_Games%2C_Inc._v._United_States_Secret_Service

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