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May 3, 2008 1:30 PM

Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says

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Click to view Danthrax's profile New Member 2 posts since
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1. May 3, 2008 2:31 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
This is ridiculous. Microsoft needs to wake up right now, or a future PCworld article will be titled: How Vista and Arrogance Killed Microsoft.

I will Never move my company to Vista. I've been an avid supporter of Windows NT since setting up a Domain in version 3.1 (yes, there was a Windows NT 3.1). Now, if Microsoft actually fails to support XP before rolling out an acceptable replacement for Vista, I will bite the bullet and move to Ubuntu, enterprise-wide.

We're getting close to where switching entirely from Microsoft has an attractive ROI.

Vista inevitable? FAR from it!
Click to view BUBBA's profile New Member 1 posts since
May 3, 2008
2. May 3, 2008 3:27 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
I think Microsoft should be slapped with a class action lawsuit.
The fact that they are forcing every user , corporate or personal to switch to Vista or higher and spend allot of time and $$$ is insane when there is nothing wrong with XP and XP pro. They finely got it right and now here we go again. After they actually gain back the trust of most people who went through the horror of, dear I say it (M E). Vista basically is an absolute nightmare with most hardware. Since it arrived we are now faced with paying more money on a PC that barely supports it without upgrading the system you just bought. What is wrong with this picture?? I put up with it because like most people I got sucked in thinking it is the way to go.Personally I think it is time to start thinking about migrating to Mac.They have been very patient with there product knowing this day would come.When they looked doomed years ago they kept there head above water and kept trying.My hat is off to them.
Click to view blackcross's profile New Member 20 posts since
Apr 19, 2007
3. May 3, 2008 6:03 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
You two kill me. MS has every right to stop supporting a product of theirs. They also are a corporation dedicated to making money. If you don't like their new products, don;t buy. if they stop supporting the product you are using, which they are entitled to do, then switch to something else.
Sicne when has the american dream morphed into: whine now and sue later?
Click to view earvnb's profile New Member 1 posts since
May 3, 2008
4. May 3, 2008 7:14 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
As someone working in the IT branch outside the U.S. this is viewed by me as a worst-case scenario that caught the industry by surprise, because of the relatively small time frame between the launch and adaptation of Vista and the termination of XP support. This was not the case with 2000 Pro and XP as XP was available shortly after 2000 Pro had been out and the cost of an upgrade was relatively lower than from XP to Vista. In a developing country, where the majority of businesses are just now focusing on software licensing compliance, this becomes a nightmare very fast. At this stage more time and money is lost by trying to estimate what the impact of an alternative (ubuntu linux) will be for small to medium businesses. I personally am convinced that the consumers will eventually quit complaining about Vista because it's not bad (and yes, linux also has an annoying prompt that asks for a password for just about every major action but can be turned off just like in windows.
Click to view vavalos's profile New Member 1 posts since
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5. May 3, 2008 8:40 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
Ben is merely doing his job, helping marketing leaders at Microsoft by portraying himself as a technology leader.

The reality is that Ben is probably not too informed on what it takes to support a poor offering like Vista in the enterprise. He doesn't know how long and hard it is to get 3rd party software and hardware vendor adoption.

Ben's research should have taken him back a few years. It wan't too long ago when companies clung long an hard to Windows 98 before finally making the jump to XP.

Ben's research failed to include the existing license agreement that will allow businesses to downgrade.

He also missed wonderful advancements in virtualization, where the only drivers I need for XP will come from VMWare or Apple's bootcamp project.

What is the current Windows solution for the corporate desktop: Windows 2003 and 2008 Server - Terminal Server whenever possible.

Hopefully, Microsoft won't shoot themselves in the foot again.

Forgive the typos, I wrote this on my iPhone.
Click to view Danthrax's profile New Member 2 posts since
May 3, 2008
6. May 4, 2008 1:15 AM in response to: blackcross
Re: Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says

If MS is dedicated to making money, then your "if you don't like it, don't buy it" shows how stupid their current position is. That's the point. I won't buy it. I personally replaced UNIX workstations and Mac desktops in 1993 with Windows NT 3.1 and I am a Microsoft Certified Instructor in their Server products. I've implemented and supported every release of MS Server and Desktop OS since then. Your juvenile defense of what Microsoft is "entitled to do" will do nothing to keep Microsoft from going down the tubes. What are they going to do when their fiercest defenders (which I have consistently been and hope to be in the future) are ready to scrap them and switch to Ubuntu or to Leopard?

By the way, how is it "whining" to point out the truth: that a company that has produced a string of great products for 15 years, and now brings out a complete dog (let me define dog for you: half as fast, needs twice as much memory, and has poor driver support) and on top of that stops selling or supporting the only desktop OS they make that actually works...how is it "whining" to point out they're being foolish and arrogant?

Click to view kwjordan's profile New Member 70 posts since
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7. May 4, 2008 3:28 PM in response to: PCWorld
Re: Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
Ben says XP is unattractive. That's only because Microsoft is making it unattractive by making it unavailable. Other than that, there's nothing wrong with XP. If my XP fails, I should not have to pay the price of a high-powered Vista computer. That's in addition to the fact that many people have had bad experiences with Vista. It's time for another company to make a competitive alternative OS. What an opportunity!
Click to view TheBigOldDog's profile New Member 51 posts since
Oct 27, 2006
8. May 4, 2008 1:59 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
Microsoft has sure been spending a lot of money to get "researchers" to talk about Vista's "inevitability" lately. Imagine so messing up your core business that you have to rely on intimidation to get people to adopt your product?
Click to view RNR19952's profile Member 348 posts since
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9. May 4, 2008 2:04 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
"It will become more difficult to stick with Windows XP when top-tier computer makers pull it off their operating system lists on June 30, the date Microsoft has mandated that manufacturers stop offering it on new PCs. The company will also yank XP from retail sales then."
This statement is just not true
XP will be available for OEMS until 2009
Most OEM's have already stated they will be using the M$ downgrade rights to keep selling PC's with XP on them well after June 30th.
Anyone who still want's to sell a PC to a corporate environment will do the same, no one in their right mind is deploying Vista in the field.
Click to view gsmiley's profile New Member 6 posts since
Jan 7, 2007
10. May 4, 2008 2:42 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
You should stop knocking Vista. After all, it is everything Apple could have hoped for.
Click to view gosseyn's profile New Member 28 posts since
Apr 4, 2007
11. May 4, 2008 4:38 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
Ben isn't a very good analyst since he seems to be unaware that most corporations buy new computers and then install XP Pro under the auspices of their Volume License. The only people Microsoft will be hurting by pulling XP are the retail computer buyers. But then, Microsoft has shown their disdain for the average home user by only allowing downgrade rights for Vista Business and Ultimate, leaving the owners of Home Basic and Home Premium to twist slowly in the wind. Their arrogance will ultimately be their downfall.
Click to view mcbarker's profile Member 636 posts since
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12. May 4, 2008 7:13 PM in response to: gosseyn
Re: Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
I work for a multinational industrial company which employs fifty thousand people in the U.S, alone. We just updated our networked workstations to XP SP2 (from SP1) about a year ago because of incompatibilities with some of our older proprietary software, so for Mr Keizer to say that upgrading to Vista is inevitable shows a great degree of cluelessness on his part, of how real businesses work. We have a lot of proprietary software which won't run under Vista, and even more very expensive hardware (various lab analyzers, SEMs, etc), some of which still run Windows98 because the hardware doesn't support Windows XP. If either Microsoft, or the article's author thinks that it's feasible for a company such as this to lay out many millions of dollars for software and hardware upgrades just to run Vista, they're sadly mistaken. The software for the types of scientific equipment that we use are often one to two operating systems behind the latest and greatest that Microsoft tries to ram down our throats, because they use very expensive proprietary software that can't be upgraded at Microsoft's whim.


SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKIES - NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING, BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.
Click to view GOED's profile New Member 5 posts since
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13. May 4, 2008 7:24 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
Microsoft had a good 20 year run, but their arrogance will be there downfall. They just lost Yahoo because of the way Steve Ballmer approched the whole deal from the begining. They are loosing the battle with windows vista because they want to force individuals and corporations to cuff up huge amounts of money to be able to run vista, and now they are turning xp support off, once again in their arrogance because they want everyone to do what Microsoft wants. It will take some more time I say between 7 to 10 years for them to lose a severe market share just because right now yes it is easy to find good application that work with windows and not so many that work with linux. If Ubuntu gets better application support and greater programing of applications for this operating system it will gain market share quicker. I wouldn't be supprise if Microsoft is begin Analyst to write good things about Vista in light of all the problems, it is wear but reports pushing vista are from analyst.
Click to view BillWagoner's profile New Member 1 posts since
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14. May 4, 2008 9:12 PM in response to: PCWorld
Vista 'Inevitable' at Work, Analyst Says
"Inevitable???" What a load of hooey! Has this "analyst" even thought about the cost to the business world, state and federal governments, educational institutions and the rest of the user community? Hardware upgrades, software upgrades, endless downtime...installing, reconfiguring, downloading patches...etc...etc...
It's time to WAKE UP EVERYONE!
Yes...I AM a MAC user...made the switch a year ago. No problems with my "propietary" hardware - works flawlessly. Operating system has NEVER crashed.
I did call tech support once...with a question about USB port configurations. Quick, knowledgeable, polite, easy to understand. EXCELLENT service!
I use my MAC everyday for offsite report writing and communication with my Windows based company. Even use Office for the MAC but recently changed to IWork 08 and have NEVER had a file compatibility issue.

There IS a better way to work...Microsoft lost me with a terrible experience with Vista. Many of my colleagues too...
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